Julian Jackson- Hardest puncher ever?

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Julian Jackson- Hardest puncher ever?

Duggerman
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Any truth to this? I always thought Earnie Shavers was the hardest puncher ever, but others point the finger at this guy.
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Do you mean Julian Jackson? If so he fought at middleweight, so the chances of him punching harder than Shavers are quite low :)
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Duggerman
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Thanks. And yeah I meant Julian. I don't think he hit like Shavers but folks keep saying he's the hardest puncher ever,
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Leo the Lion
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Yo AJ. Julian hit much harder than Shavers pound for pound. He had the power of a heavyweight in a middleweight category, much like GGG. As a boxer I've seen and experienced phenoms like that. My old sparring partner is a light heavyweight and I used to do speed work with him in sparring. When he hit it didn't feel like I was facing a light heavyweight. Some guys just punch beyond their weight limits. Julian punched like an animal. A look at his highlight reel tells you that. His knockouts look brutal and unreal. Often times the guys look comatose - this is so hard to do as a boxer. I have a great knockout ratio myself and am known in a many circles as a very powerful knockout puncher, but I'm yet to land a knockout ofJulian's calibre. I've sent many to the canvas, but they weren't out - out if you know what I mean. They still knew where they were and looked around you know. Almost like they stayed down because the pain was too much and they couldn't bring themselves up because their spirit and will had been broken. Julian's knockouts however are so much more serious. It's almost as if his opponents can't control their senses and are paralysed. Nasty stuff. Any true boxer, wishes they had the gift julian had to make guys comatose.
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Will69
Julian seems to have lethal KO power.  Seriously.  This is real brain damage material.  His record was really good in the 80s.  Is there any reason he didn't fight any great fighter?  Sugar Ray Leonard?  Hearns?  Haggler?  I would imagine all the fight fans would have loved to see this, so the money would have been there.  Why didn't it happen??
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Duggerman
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Will69 wrote
Julian seems to have lethal KO power.  Seriously.  This is real brain damage material.  His record was really good in the 80s.  Is there any reason he didn't fight any great fighter?  Sugar Ray Leonard?  Hearns?  Haggler?  I would imagine all the fight fans would have loved to see this, so the money would have been there.  Why didn't it happen??
I honestly don't know. I don't follow the smaller weight classes as closely, but I'm sure someone here will enlighten us.
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Leo the Lion
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Yo Hombre,

Nah, Hagler would show him wassup, Leonard too slick and smart, Maybe Hearns might get hurt, but Julian didnt have that Leonard/Hagler chin to get to Hearns, so I'm thinkin it's likely he doesn't beat those 3 guys. Wou;d have been great to see though, he hit much harder than them.
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Entaowed
Thanks Leo that all makes sense & your experience is very valuable.

To elaborate on the original question...JJ had almost unreal punching power for his size.
Also as in weightlifting, it is basically impossible for elite guys to have as much lb. for lb. power if he is much bigger.  Leo you likely know about the formula lifting competitions have to account for the physiological fact that strength cannot increase as much as body size, to compare men across weight categories.

So JJ having an average HW punch seems about right.
Though of course that does not allow him to take a punch as well, & he would be outsized.
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Leo the Lion
MR Felber!

Thanks my bro, as usual man is scientific and calculated - a true mind!

You are 2 for 2 on all the mentioned points. The comes a point of diminishing returns in terms of performance in anything, not just sports, but all areas of life. Doing more wont yield beneficial results indefinitely. There comes a point when a certain limit is reached and anything done in excess is either not helping but actually hurting progress, as is demonstrated with the comment on size not necessarily equaling a higher ratio of strength to weight. In boxing that is the true test of power, the ability for a man to take his power with him up the categories. I admire specialists, but it's the guys who move up and still display the ability to perform that impress me ala Holyfield (PED accusations aside).

The only problem with the aforementioned is that the ability to take a punch doesn't follow the same theory unfortunately...
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Entaowed
Thank you very much for the good words Leo!

How is your boxing career going?  You are down to 183 lbs.?
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Leo the Lion
Hey bro!

It's going well man. Things got a lot more serious now, so we're working on qualifying for the upcoming commonwealth games. Things being more serious means I needed to assess where I belong weight wise better. I have a heavyweight wingspan, but it's not enough. I don't have the height. I'm only 182 cm tall, and despite my reach being 194cm, its not enough. So we decided I'd fight at Light Heavyweight and move to Cruiser at some point. For the foreseeable future of my amateur career I'll be fighting as a light heavyweight. It's harder, but there are things that are much better. The fitness is way harder and the punch volume increases the lower in weight you go, so I'm unlearning heavyweight mistakes that you can't get away with in this division. The guys are fast man! Was supposed to have fought last week, but I have a serious case of tonsillitis so we're looking at end Sep early October.

Hopefully you see me on TV next year
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Entaowed
I admire your fortitude Leo please keep us posted!  : )

It is funny that it seems that guys in the division even one place down are faster fitter & likely more skilled overall: but still it would not be enough to usually overcome the size disparity against at least modern sized HWs

Do you think Liston a little taller than you with a huge wingspan & his talent could be a champion or dominant today?

Could Tyson just with his great skills>at least if a lot of clinching was not allowed?
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Leo the Lion
Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words.

I dunno man, I think size is only a real factor if there are freakish attributes that accompany the size. So far,  in the little experience I have, there are guys that are smaller and less athletic than me who still crack and are able to back me up. Obviously a good big man beats a good little man, but for the most part the size doesn't matter on a smaller scale.

The more you move up the weight categories though that size difference comes in. Personally Supermiddleweights and Light Heavyweights feel the same to me. Id even argue that certain middleweights are even comparable to Light Heavyweights. Likewise a guy like myself facing the current crop of superheavies is ridiculous. I'm so much smaller than them. I mean if I had to share the ring with Wlad or Vitali I'd get used like a mop  and really badly permanently hurt I think, because the size difference is so immense. I'm not a small guy and I'm very strong and stocky with natural athleticism, but there is only so much that counts for facing guys who naturally outweigh me by 15 - 30kgs and are 15- 20cm taller than me... When they hold you and lie on you, you tire so quickly... There are so many factors, but that is a problem.

I think guys Like Liston would be great Cruiserweights and would be good at Heavyweight also, but you compare a guy like Liston to Anthony Joshua... Too big and too strong... I mean you put Lennox against any of those guys and he wipes the floor with them... So much weight behind the punches, so much height and reach to save him and so much size to tie you up with. A prime Tyson gets far, but eventually gets held and clinched... Maybe without those rules he would do well, but even then, a Lennox Jab and its over. Lennox DESTROYED Morrison without having to clinch much... He picked him apart, and Tommy had a better outside game than Tyson... These new Superheavies are a new breed man, us shorter guys cant beat em... Soon Povetkin fights Joshua... Lets see how he does, but I doubt Joshua loses... Too big, too strong. Look at what Wlad did to Povetkin. Being short sucks lol
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Povetkin KO David Price (203cm).


Tommy Morrison KO Art Tucker (198cm).




Michael Moore knock Mike White down (208cm).
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Leo the Lion
Firstly mate, none of the guys you mentioned were Olympic Gold Medalists... None of the guys you mentioned have the work ethic or ring intelligence of Anthony Joshua. None of the guys you mentioned have the power and speed of Joshua. David Price, bless his soul was knocked out by Tony Thompson. David Price for all his power gets wobbled when the wind changes direction - combine that and the fact that Povetkin does have a chin and solid boxing IQ... Its very simple, Joshua is so much more than these guys and he, like Lennox Lewis, Vitali and Wlad are examples of what happens when tall guys learn how to use their size effectively. Im not saying Povetkin has no chance, hell I'm a huge fan, and I love his style and personality, but its in Joshua's favour. It would be great to have either guy win, since I'm a fan of both. I just think Joshua has more favourable attributes for heavyweight boxing. If he doesn't hold and push Povetkin around, there will be trouble.
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Will69
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Leo, I agree with much of what you said.  But I'm still waiting for the big 3 (Joshua, Wilder, Fury) to prove themselves.  These guys look awesome when fighting accountants, clerks, starbucks employees, fork-lift drivers, old men, guys with medical issues, etc.  How do I know this?  Look at all their opponents.  The best opponent any of them ever had in their entire career was Dereck Chisora, who is an average fighter at best.

Povetkin too is/was an exciting fighter.  But now, he too perfectly fits my criteria above.  (He'd be in the "old men" category).  The fact that he was caught using PEDs by the World Anti-Doping Agency now raises questions to his whole career.  Povetkin seemed to be much stronger and had higher stamina than most of his opponents.  Was this because of PEDs?  I don't know.

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Leo the Lion
Hi there Will.

Well as I said, Povetkin is disadvantaged against Joshua because the heavyweight scene is a size game now, where height is the main variable that works in their favor. Joshua was a problem for Povetkin and the size difference showed. Povetkin couldnt come in perfect range vs Joshua who jabbed and kept him busy and stuck to his fundementals. Nothing fancy, and thats all a tall strong guy needs to do these days to win, unfortunately.

As for Povetkin being old... He was on his best run of form prior to this fight, so that doesn't apply. Povetkin is a guy who has gotten better as he got older, especially after his Klitschko loss.

As for PED's. Guy was "busted" for meldonium, which by the way was legal until only a few months before the fight. As my memory recalls, off the top of my head meldonium was made illegal in December and he was scheduled to fight Wilder in April... That's 4 months. After they tested him, it came back with a nano gram... A nano gram... The amount that he was reprimanded for was so little that most blood tests wouldn't pick it up. People need to look at these things objectively and try to give the athlete the benefit of the doubt. People have such prejudice regarding PED's and the likes its scary. When I've fought I've been accused for using PED's because apparently I was "too muscular to be a boxer without the help of juice" - guy accused me in Afrikaans, but me typing that would be a bit pointless  .

Point is, I rank Povetkin second to Klitshko on Joshua's resume. The man was a true test and showed us that Joshua is the real deal. The man beat a Gold medalist yesterday eve, patiently, with composure, sticking to the basics, and making the punches he throws count. His boxing IQ is fantastic, and I'm proud to say that I think he will be rated with the best. Fury is his biggest threat right now... People need to accept that this man is great and that Povetkin was the final proof we needed, which by the way is also testament to what I've been saying about the taller men owning the heavyweight class.
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Will69
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Povetkin was like the Tyson of the 2000s, (maybe not as spectacular, but he beat everyone by a decent margin -until he met Wlad).  I was surprised people in this forum didn't talk about him much, but perhaps the Klits had all the spotlight at that time.  I haven't followed Povetkin's career closely, but IMO, in his latest fight against Joshua, he did not have the same aggression and tenacity as he did in the past.  Povetkin still fought as good as he could, but I do think his age started to show, particularly after several rounds.  And I agree, that the fight game is heavily influenced by size.  Also, thanks for the clarification on the legality of meldonium... I wish they mentioned that in the articles that talked about Povetkin's temporary ban.
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Leo the Lion
Np man. When it comes to doping there are so many variables and people unfortunately dont know the fighter's backgrounds so whatever news gets spread is generally biased and seems right at the time.

You gotta remember Will, a good fighter doesn't let you fight your fight. Povetkin is technically more sound that Tyson ever was, he has a gold medal to show, and you dont progress to the high ranks of amateur boxing if you dont have your technical skills down.

Povetkin couldnt fight the way he wanted because Joshua didnt let him. Good fighters dont let their opponents fight their gameplan. It's all about making them do what you want.
Leo Rothmann - Amateur Boxer 183lbs
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Entaowed
Povetkin techinically better than Tyson?  I am open to that argument.
I though he tested + twice?
I am sympathetic that some guys get caught falsely, & was just arguing with a guy in the gym today that no, not EVERY athlete in every sport is dirty.
Though many are in many sports.

You can argue that the kind of OCD degree of clinching & leaning should be PUNISHED so it does not prevent the real rules-& sport of boxing-from being followed.
Wlad vs. Povetkin was very unfair.
Would Tyson not have a decent shot against any SHW IF all the grappling was immediately warned against, then penalized, so if it continued a man was disqualified?

Lastly, i do think weight matters in the lower divisions.
On average a LHW must hit a little harder & have a bit better chin-on average-than a SMW.

And in the lower divisions the weight diffence can be as little as 3 lbs. between divisions.
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