Had a long chat with Entaowed on the phone the other day and he pointed out that most boxers hit harder than the average man. I mentioned how Chris Byrd's punching power has been compared to getting hit by a fly swatter. I imagined that -with Chris being a natural cruiserweight and not having a deadly knockout punch- he punched probably as hard as the average man.
Entaowed, (using his uncanny detailed memory analysis) pointed out a video I had forgotten about where Chris' punching power was computer-tested and resulted in 1,304 pounds. I weigh around 168, which is close in range to Chris' natural size. But I don't think I could ever hit that hard!
How hard do you think the average man punches in comparison to a boxer?
Absolutely. Boxers are trained on how to punch correctly. Even a 300 pound NFL football star probably can't bang like someone like Rahman.
Goes both ways. Some people are just natural punchers. That's why they say punchers are born, not made. Earnie Shavers was regular dude who got started late in boxing and realized on his first day in the gym that he had a supernatural punch. Imagine that? A regular joe off the street stepped in a gym one day and realized he's the hardest puncher of all time!
Rocky Marciano was a small man, played baseball and football. He didn't find out he could punch like a heavyweight until he knocked out some bum in the army in a fight with one punch. Sometimes an "average man" discovers accidentally that they have unprecedented punching power.
Who knows? There may be some random guy somewhere, maybe a principal, a construction worker, whatever, who can punch harder than Earnie Shavers but he'll never find out.
Its all in the technique and the delivery of the punch. Everyone has the ability to hit hard for their size and weight. They just need to use their body properly and execute the punch flawlessly.
A lot of people don't know how to drive and land a punch properly. There a world champions that don't know how to punch correctly. As long as the technique is sound anyone can hit hard for their size. How else could you explain guys like dempsey, louis, marciano, frazier, tyson, and holyfield hitting harder then some guys who are twice their size. Its all in the delivery of the punch.
In a sense he did...He trhrew more short shots, though still unloaded with those looping haymeker body shots. His jab was always excellent, he just sometimes forgot to use it in his 1st career Evlution spoke about how numbing it was, & moved big guys around-including Holyfield out of range.
He was a legitimate contender quality fighter until he retired when approaching 49.
He was just too slow to take out most of the best of the best, but Moorer was foolish enough to stand & trade with Foreman.
Not 10 seconds below Teddy Atlas is screaming "don't stand in front of him"!
Foreman threw the lefts to move him into the path of a short devastating right.
Moorer was too proud to accept it was no lucky punch.
Great points 49-0, Rocky, Tua, Tyson for relatively small men by HW standard have natural power & when they become boxers learn how to enhance that gift with training. Foreman was big & was a monster banger so with this deadly combination seemed to have it all, he just didn't work out until later to pace himself because as we know others have natural resilient chins, he found that out to his demise v Ali. Nearly everyone has a hidden gift but never really get to use it unless they become aware it's there. I play guitar at a reasonable standard but am not naturally gifted like my friend who can listen to a song & find the key with ease all by his natural ear & work out complicated riffs & solos by guys like slash without referring to musical notation. He cant read tab like me , he just picks out patterns, not explainable. I'm still searching for my natural gift LOL
As long as the technique is sound anyone can hit hard for their size. How else could you explain guys like dempsey, louis, marciano, frazier, tyson, and holyfield hitting harder then some guys who are twice their size. Its all in the delivery of the punch.
You're right but as we've been discussing in another thread lately, genetics play a part too. Louis' mom and dad were large people. Marciano's mother was heavyset. Evolution personally met Evander Holyfield's father who is a big man who used to lift trucks. Joe Frazier used to be an overweight kid who turned his fat into muscle and power. He and Mike are naturally strong men. I don't know anything about Dempsey's family genetics but he knew how to punch correctly. He would throw a punch with a loose fist and bite down just a mere nano second before impact.
Because of genetics you may see a scrawny guy who can surprise you by punching like Max Baer. But you're absolutely right that proper technique is one of the keys.
He was a legitimate contender quality fighter until he retired when approaching 49.
Waaaaaaaaait a minute, Entaowy. First we must define what is meant by legitimate. Legit can often mean "real" as opposed to "fake." So are other contenders that are not legit considered fake? If we use this form of folly what would be fake about them? Boxers with false arms, legs, torsos? In actuality a fighter could not be fake because these limbs are needed to legitimize combat in the duchess of queensbury rules and mama se mama se mamacita.
You need to step back from the brink, man. He was approaching 49 but is that a sin? Is it WRONG for a person to approach 49 years of age? Elephants never forget, but Ramses II is still a mummy. Remember the golden rule que pasa? IF you can't do that then you must faghettaboutit.
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But how do we know how hard the big guy can punch? I understand that professors at Harvard measured the great (white) Rocky Marciano's punch. This process of networking with stakeholders is backed by a rather new approach to the inner workings within the laboratory. The tests themselves are made in fully automatized systems, which typically perform all the required spectroscopic and/or genetic tests from the same base sample, while controlling (though management software) for the quality of the tests, distributing the results, etc. The unambiguous result of this automatization is a sharp improvement in the reliability of the tests with minimal human interference.
Calling me by the one of your identities Entaowy.
Mostly just a cut & paste job, instead of original writing.
I would like at the clever parts...
But now you sneak in the hate. "Fag" corrupting a word.
Gratuitously pointing out the obvious that Marciano was white, as if I was at all biased.
Seemingly inserted surreptitiously, so you can avoid again being removed. Sad.
Still I cannot respect you when there is not only no sincere apology for past vicious hate speech directed at, & evil motives attributed to me...
And no apology for the widely condemned privacy invasion of using my FB images to mock & demean.
A good parody does not invent monstrous motives that are nowhere in evidence, & are not a cruel & desperate bid for attention. You did not get banned, & no responses here, for no reason.
If you were just doing good-natured teasing nobody would mind.
As it is it seems you need a hobby. to put it kindly.
Sounds like you hate the man, not that I'd blame you if you did. How do you know it was a copy and paste job?