Tyson or Tua versus old Joe Louis of 1951

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Tyson or Tua versus old Joe Louis of 1951

South Pacific
It took Marciano 8 rounds to retire old Louis in a very competitive fight until the knockout. What if it was Tyson or Tua in there instead? Does it go more than one round? Would Tyson struggle a bit the way he did against Holmes for a few rounds?



Remember Joe was still quite vicious. Look what he did to Lee Savold the same year he fought Marciano.

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Re: Tyson or Tua versus old Joe Louis of 1951

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Tyson was a front runner and Marciano was generally a late starter. Old Louis may have still had his fundamentals but Tyson would have been too quick and strong. Marciano, on the other hand, had to warm up into the fight but was just as savage as Tyson, only he didn't get to that level until the mid-late rounds.

Tua? That's anybody's guess. If motivated he could stop Louis as quickly as he did Ruiz and Moorer if he pounced on Louis early, or he might fight lazy and immediately fall victim to Joe's jab. Knowing Tua though, he'd probably struggle and stop him around the 8th round just as Marciano did.
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Re: Tyson or Tua versus old Joe Louis of 1951

Rosco
Louis would probably die in the hospital after a one round blitz from Tyson.

But then again it might have been better to be struck out in less than a round by Tyson than getting pounded for 8 rounds by sledgehammer blows from a slugger like Marciano. I know Louis had to take weeks if not months to recover and heal from that fight. He retired immediately after so what does that tell you?
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I forgot to mention that Holmes ran from Tyson and held him. Louis would be a stationary target so he wouldn’t pose the problems that Larry did.
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Westmoreland wrote
Holmes did not look all that bad getting blasted by Tyson. Tyson was just too strong for Holmes in that fight. Holmes problem in that fight was the time it took for him to set and reset before and after his punches. That, and trying to keep Mike off him.

I heard a lot of people compare the Holmes-Tyson fight to the Louis-Marciano fight and I can see why: Boxer versus much younger swarmer/slugger, and Holmes and Louis were both 37-38 years old at the time. Both fights were a "passing of the torch." The old fading former champion getting dethroned by the  hard punching new kid on the block.

Stylistically, however, Louis had to face Marciano. Regardless of who rates higher on your all time list, Maciano(on mine) or Tyson, Louis had it a little different in this match up. Marciano is slower than Tyson, smaller than Tyson, and less elusive than Tyson. These reasons helped Louis survive longer against Marciano than Holmes did against Tyson. Still, I bet if you put 42 year-old Holmes against the Tyson of, say, 1997-2001, old Holmes would pull it off this time.
Well said.
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Re: Tyson or Tua versus old Joe Louis of 1951

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Depends on if Mike or David were in their primes. 1987-88 Tyson wrecks ANY version of Louis. It is what it is. But the Tyson from 2002 onwards had no heart and may or may not win against old Louis. Louis lost his punch but Mike still had his. The question is...would Mike really wanna win?

The Tua of the Ruiz and Ibeabuchi fights would dismantle old Louis in seconds. Tua came to fight on those nights. 1951 Louis had nothing to hold off peak Tyson and Tua and you could arguably say the same about the young version too.
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Re: Tyson or Tua versus old Joe Louis of 1951

MAGUIRE
If Butterbean could make it the distance, even he would knock out old Joe Louis.

And you know what, it is definitely possible. Butterbean went the distance with Holmes, and old Louis would be worse off than old Holmes was. Joe said himself that his age slowed him down and caught up with him and try as he did he could not deliver those Joe Louis specials like he once did. His reflexes and speeds were gone. Inevitably Butterbean would land one punch too many. My opinion.
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MAGUIRE wrote
If Butterbean could make it the distance, even he would knock out old Joe Louis.

And you know what, it is definitely possible. Butterbean went the distance with Holmes, and old Louis would be worse off than old Holmes was. Joe said himself that his age slowed him down and caught up with him and try as he did he could not deliver those Joe Louis specials like he once did. His reflexes and speeds were gone. Inevitably Butterbean would land one punch too many. My opinion.
Nope. Joe's jab was somewhat working for him early against Rocky but in all fairness Rocky beat the guy up and ended it in the 8th. Joe's age was a problem but don't discount the other problem he had that night...Rocky Marciano.

Butterbean would make it an easy payday for Louis. Butterbean was slow and predictable. Rocky was far more aggressive and kept swarming and punching. Easy night for Louis. He could just cruise to victory with a jab.

-Joe Kingman